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I assume it is from Moss' experience?
@Bili || She/her (@Celestial Horror) - jump yep, thats pretty normal, i wasnt around for half the things in this room, but i already know what they are and how they got here. the brain is whats familiar with the surroundings, not the current personality, if that makes sense
4:26 PM
theres better wording but yknow what i mean, its the brain and not us that are familiar with things?
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 4:27 PM
Ah yes that makes sense
4:30 PM
Is it common to feel like you and/or your thoughts are ... blurry?
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Fuzzy, almost.
4:30 PM
Like sometimes actions, thoughts and such will merge with mine and I cant quite tell who it is.
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 4:32 PM
yes thats normal
4:32 PM
we've been super blurry today
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if both of yall are in or one is very close to being in front, yes disginguishing whos doing what and thinking is what is something that gets better with practice
4:33 PM
and also just happens sometimes, theres been cases where we have a weird thought and we're like "was that you or me?"
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 4:34 PM
Yes it feels almost like that.
4:34 PM
Maybe fully.
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it gets better with more time in front and more time mixed between you 2
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For us, every thought has a certain presence (‘feeling’ ‘vibe’ whatever you wish to call it) attached to it so it’s fairly easy to tell who is saying what even if multiple people are speaking or who is fronting keeps changing. We tend to flip flop a lot when it comes to fronting which isn’t the norm.
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 4:38 PM
we just know somehow, theres no specific feeling to it
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 4:38 PM
Yes, we think speaking mannerisms is something that separates us two and our thoughts
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 4:38 PM
oh yeah we have that though
4:39 PM
for mind spoken things
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 4:43 PM
We have a question but we're not quite sure how to phrase it
4:44 PM
We'll try our best
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 4:51 PM
Hm ... Ethereal thinks the question would be redundant to ask now, and not connected enough to the topic of tulpamancy
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no harm in asking it, really
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 4:58 PM
I suppose that's true
5:02 PM
So for a while, Moss has had moments where he feels much more like a certain being and much prefers being referred to as such. He says this is due to him being a shapeshifter. One intense instance of this was when he felt very much like a Waddle Dee from the Kirby series. It was particularly intense because he felt as though it was difficult to type anything other than the way the Waddle Dees speak, such as "Wa" and "Wanya". Anyways, we're now wondering if situations like these were related to tulpamancy or had a hand in how ... almost simple it feels to adjust to fronting. The feeling of fronting is similar to when Moss was in those strong shifted states. Yet Moss has stated in the past that he still felt like himself, just ... different. Yet not quite himself if that makes any sense.
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hmm well It sounds to me like thats not really directly related to tulpamancy. more something in line with otherkin experiences
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:04 PM
Yes, that's what we were thinking as well
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:31 PM
Does anyone have any tips for ... sensing/knowing what you look like?
5:32 PM
I feel like I look different from how Moss initially created me, yet I cannot place exactly what's different.
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 5:32 PM
try different things and see what feels right
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:33 PM
wait how is that otherkin experiene rather than tulpamancy?
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:33 PM
Ethereal is trying, yet it still seems fuzzy.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:34 PM
Does anyone have any tips for ... sensing/knowing what you look like?
@Ethereal/Bili || She/Her (@Celestial Horror) - jump so, you know, you don't need to "know" what you "look like"
5:34 PM
you don't need to have a form
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People who are way too attached to their forms or source material could exeprience something alike from otherkins
5:35 PM
Otherkin being literally anything, not just animals
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:35 PM
yeah but from ethereal is saying, moss just resonates with a character
5:35 PM
feels/looks/speaks like a character
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:36 PM
wait how is that otherkin experiene rather than tulpamancy?
@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump Moss assumes it's because he still has his sense of self, he doesn't feel like he's sitting on the couch and someone else is in front if that makes sense. Well maybe for most of them, now that he's looking back, a couple of them have been kind of strong. But essentially, he still feels like himself, just changed in terms of looks, how he prefers to be called, and sometimes how he acts as well
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:37 PM
who's the host and who's the headmate?
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:37 PM
Moss is the host, I am the headmate.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:37 PM
so you switched, and he has a form
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:38 PM
In a general sense, yes.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:38 PM
that's normal, it doesn't need to be an otherkin
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anyway you don't need to look at it through a lens of "tulpamancy" or "otherkin" or anything
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all the systems etc, it's about identity
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voice behaviour habits form mannerism thinking patterns etc it's all identity
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for some people it can be fluid, for some not, for some headmates more than others
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it can be very playful too
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if you choose to consider it "otherkin" it will start feeling like it's out of your control though
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if you choose as just playing with your identity, it will be empowering
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:40 PM
True, Moss has admittedly had troubles with putting labels to things and being very anxious to stick with them and abide by those ... likely self-imposed rules.
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eh, we got otherkin bullshit going on and it doesnt feel out of our control
5:41 PM
although.... it does feel slightly less controlled i guess
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but not a negative
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:41 PM
if you choose as just playing with your identity, it will be empowering
@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump That seems like very helpful advice, thank you Kitkat.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:42 PM
no worries
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Otherkin stuff doesn’t really feel out of control (to us). But at the end of the day just do what feels best for you. There’s no need to really assign labels to your experience
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Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 5:49 PM
the only label i need to define myself with is is just myself
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:50 PM
exactly
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 5:50 PM
two funny people and one consciousness
SkyLOL 1
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:50 PM
just have an experience, don't mold it by definitions you hear from other people
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Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 5:52 PM
mmhm
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 5:52 PM
I'll be sure to remind them of this when I can, too
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 6/22/2023 5:55 PM
i should clarify: feel free to mold it by using labels, if you want, just be aware of the process
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those things are prescriptive rather than descriptive
5:56 PM
in the most part
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Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 5:56 PM
nodsnods aeon'll just have to learn where to cross that line got kind of a hard time with that
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Ethereal/Bili || She/Her BOT 6/22/2023 7:03 PM
Would it be a good idea to practice switching?
7:03 PM
Sparingly of course, it seems like a rather taxing feat
7:03 PM
But would there be any benefits to such a thing?
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:03 PM
no downsides
7:04 PM
we did that for a couple of days and havent needed to practice for practice's sake after that
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for us it just happens if it happens, or when we decide so (edited)
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Bennett ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/22/2023 7:05 PM
I really do enjoy switching. It gets a lot easier once you figure it out, so the "taxing" part may only be temporary. It's a great feeling of freedom for the tulpa, IMO>
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:06 PM
you dont need anything fancy, just let it happen and dont think too much
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Bennett ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/22/2023 7:06 PM
Yeah, as for switching, just do it. It's hard to explain, but you kind of just need to trust yourself.
7:06 PM
Ideally, you'll feel the control cleanly switch from one group to the other, but you can fake it till you make it as well
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:06 PM
i just kinda loosen myself mentally and thats it
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Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 7:08 PM
nodsnods i think ill try and look up some stuff to help overthinking since uh yeah steve_thumbsup
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:09 PM
it can feel a lot like you faking but you will notice some things you wouldnt be able to make up
7:09 PM
for us talking to each other pretty quickly blended into body language and from more talking to switching the main thinker
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Bennett ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/22/2023 7:09 PM
But even if you are faking, what's the worst that can happen? Faking's a conscious choice, but there's actually no serious harm in it.
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:09 PM
yeah
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Bennett ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/22/2023 7:09 PM
So if you're scared to switch because you're scared of faking, don't be, or at least....try not to be.
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:10 PM
i'd go as far as to say that whenever your tulpa talks in your mind, they are switched, and when you respond, you are switched back
7:11 PM
its just a word for being in control in that moment, and the brain can only be controlled by one at a time
7:11 PM
or at least thats how i think of it, from there you can just spread the control from thoughts to actions, and then you have a "full on" switch or whatever
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Bennett ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/22/2023 7:11 PM
not if you believe in full parallel processing...I should rally get back to experimenting with it
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:12 PM
i think parallel processing happens but only in the subconscious
7:12 PM
but your consciousness can only handle one thing at a time and the thing happening is from the one "switched in"
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Some day we’ll figure out how to switch and it’ll be over for all of you
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Bennett ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗ BOT 6/22/2023 7:13 PM
I'd actually experiment to try and figure it out, but at the same time, I don't care about it as much as I do other things in my life, so we may never know, oooooh-
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Bennett ˗ˏˋM&M´ˎ˗
So if you're scared to switch because you're scared of faking, don't be, or at least....try not to be.
Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 7:17 PM
man bennett u rlly hit home with this one 😭 /lh
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:17 PM
try to actually fake and imitate your tulpa consciously to see how different it feels from them actually talking
7:18 PM
its like a dumb caricature version at least when we started, now im a bit better at it but it still feels different lol
7:19 PM
you'll learn to stop caring, and when you do that it becomes effortless (edited)
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Celestial Horror 6/22/2023 7:19 PM
mmhm sometimes it still feels a bit like a caricature but im getting there
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:20 PM
i mean your own faking feels like a caricature version of the tulpa if you do it
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aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae
i'd go as far as to say that whenever your tulpa talks in your mind, they are switched, and when you respond, you are switched back
aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae 6/22/2023 7:24 PM
maybe if you two talk and ask each other questions that makes you really think, you could use that to see how easy switching is
7:25 PM
since switching is just changing the main thinker, and when the tulpa thinks about an answer, ask them to keep doing that and now you're switched
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